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Post by javaguru on Jul 25, 2019 19:38:24 GMT
I guess the best thing for every non-racer mortal is to stick with one brand/product and learn where the limit is, before you switch to the next brand/tyre type. Switching back and forth will just add to that fear of pushing the front, either say braking under lean, or nailing the throttle on corner exit. Knowing your tyre means knowing what the bike and tyres will do, before it happens, and that means you have a better chance to survive your next ride on THE Duke of Japan. On my fz1 I went through the whole spectrum of Dunlop S/T tyres and nothing felt good, until I tried the Roadtec 01's, those changed the bike more than the Lars mod, the Yoshi pipe, the graves intakes and the KN filter all together, because it suddenly wanted to be leaned over and stay there. I scraped almost an inch of aluminum off the pegs at my next track day.
Fortunately, the S20s felt good from the start on the Mt, so I'm a bit reluctant to changing something that I already trust to 80-90 %. I moved from the stock rubber to s21's and that was absolutely awesome, except for the rear durability, which was about 3200km for me. Now I'm on a S21 front and a T31 rear, which I know can't push the front to the limit(with some decency in the right wrist) , from the last track day I attended.
I'm soon up for another rear change, and I'm putting on another T31, because I'm already comfortable with this setup, and I want to learn how to push it more, instead of switching brand,not knowing how much I can push, lean, if the tire is warm or not etc
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Post by dangermouse on Jul 26, 2019 18:49:44 GMT
I guess the best thing for every non-racer mortal is to stick with one brand/product and learn where the limit is, before you switch to the next brand/tyre type. Switching back and forth will just add to that fear of pushing the front, either say braking under lean, or nailing the throttle on corner exit. Knowing your tyre means knowing what the bike and tyres will do, before it happens, and that means you have a better chance to survive your next ride on THE Duke of Japan. On my fz1 I went through the whole spectrum of Dunlop S/T tyres and nothing felt good, until I tried the Roadtec 01's, those changed the bike more than the Lars mod, the Yoshi pipe, the graves intakes and the KN filter all together, because it suddenly wanted to be leaned over and stay there. I scraped almost an inch of aluminum off the pegs at my next track day. Fortunately, the S20s felt good from the start on the Mt, so I'm a bit reluctant to changing something that I already trust to 80-90 %. I moved from the stock rubber to s21's and that was absolutely awesome, except for the rear durability, which was about 3200km for me. Now I'm on a S21 front and a T31 rear, which I know can't push the front to the limit(with some decency in the right wrist) , from the last track day I attended. I'm soon up for another rear change, and I'm putting on another T31, because I'm already comfortable with this setup, and I want to learn how to push it more, instead of switching brand,not knowing how much I can push, lean, if the tire is warm or not etc Like you, I often used to run a sport touring rear/sport front on my Busa. A great combo, the only problem these days is modern sport touring tyres have so much wet grip they might become a bit unbalanced in the wet. Modern sport touring rubber is brilliant.
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Post by javaguru on Jul 26, 2019 20:04:50 GMT
I try to go carefully in the wet anyway, but you are right, the rear could theoretically push the front too much in the wet
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Post by geoffbot on Apr 18, 2020 11:58:56 GMT
Er 3k miles later wtf. I'm sure I'm riding harder but I got that out of my 21s. If I go back to 22s will I only get like 2k out of them?! Attachments:
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Post by javaguru on Apr 18, 2020 15:00:45 GMT
Not necessarily
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Post by geoffbot on Apr 19, 2020 13:56:37 GMT
Can you elaborate please?
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Post by Andrew on Apr 20, 2020 17:48:29 GMT
2015 I put Michelin Pilot Road 4s onto a Ducati Monster 696 a few years ago, and the transformation from whatever the OEM tyre was (Pirelli ST?) was incredible. I left the garage in rain, straight onto wet metal and a downhill slope - it didn't bat an eye. Just gripped. In fact, I rode home quicker than I had previously ridden in the dry on the old tyres. So I said I'd buy these again. 2016, after a crash on a Fireblade (braked in a straight line and the front just went...), and just before another track day, I put on Pirelli Diablo Rosso IIIs which were new at the time. My goodness, after over 400 miles on motorways and the trackdays, they still looked like new. Amazing grip, complete confidence. I told myself I'd buy these again. 2019 and I get a flat rear on the MT-10. Pumped it and ran to a garage. Told him I wanted the Rosso IIIs. He asked me how I ride. Well, some solo riding, some touring with the girlfriend and luggage on the back. He advised the Continental RoadAttacks (longer life and save over £100), so I have those on. Absolutely no problems with them since. I've just done a few solo and 2-up rides on fast A and B roads, and they're good. I don't do track days with the MT-10, so I'll stick with Sport Touring tyres. They're still way better than I am. Incidentally, the June 2020 edition of Ride magazine did a quick test of 6 ST tyres. Winner was the new Metzeler Roadtec 01 SE, then Dunlop RoadSmart III, Pirelli Angel GT II, Continental RoadAttack 3, Michelin Road 5 (surprise) then Bridgestone T31. The testers say all new sport touring tyres are brilliant and better than all OEM fitted tyres, so you should be happy, confident and safe with any. I expect my RoadAttacks (can't remember if they were 2s or 3s) to last another year, but I will consider the Metzeler Roadtec 01 SEs as their replacement. Of course, if I don't have a pillion and want more fun, I'd consider (a sports tyre, for fast roads, but not a track tyre, as I ride all year) the Pirelli Diablo Rosso IIIs again, or the Michelin Power RS. For some reason, I don't like Bridgestone - I have a set of their (can't remember) tyres on a BMW S1000XR, and while I've not really had any problems, they're just okay - and won't go for them again - so probably a new set of Metzelers next month (whenever the garages open again for business...) Happy riding to you all.
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Post by X Plane on Apr 29, 2020 9:22:54 GMT
If not doing a long tour, then Michelin Power RS add a level of comfort plushness and sporty super grip and brilliant feel. I got well over 3000 miles out of a rear and they suit the aggressive sporty fun nature of the MT.
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Post by geoffbot on Apr 29, 2020 15:28:57 GMT
Yeah I was told I'd get more than 3k out of the Pr4s but I didn't...
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Post by scotty0504 on May 12, 2020 11:54:13 GMT
I had PR4's on my mt09 they were great road tyres I pushed them hard in all conditions they never let go once, lasted 5500-6000miles i done 2 trips over to Germany on them plus weekend blasts around Scotland. I think they suited the 09's handling characteristics I then put a set of michelin power rs's on the 09 they were excellent as well but I don't think they suited the 09 as much as PR4's did on the road with changing surfaces and changing conditions on uk roads. I traded my 09 in for an MT10 last year its a totally different beast from the 09. Its now time for new tyres on the 10 I was considering going for PR4's but from what I have read in here they're not as good on the 10 as they were on the 09. The tyres I'm considering are Metzeler M7RR's or New M9RR's, Michelin PR5's, Bridgestone S22's and both Avon spirit st and 3d ultra evo. I will be mostly solo riding on the 10 and maybe a few weekends away doing the NC500 when restrictions are lifted. Have any of you guys had any experience of the above tyres on the MT10 ?
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Post by X Plane on May 12, 2020 13:02:17 GMT
I’d PR4 on MT-09 too, but to vague for MT-10. I’ve had S20/22, Angel GT on the 10.
The Power RS suits the MT-10
As well S22, M77R etc
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