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Post by dangermouse on Nov 20, 2018 0:52:39 GMT
I assume you have the stock Bridgestone S20s? is the front worn? I suspect not. You could just stick a Bridgestone Evo T30 or T31 on the rear and keep your current front tyre until it's worn. You can get a rear T30 (the generation older tyre) for £128 www.fwr.co.uk/product/bridgestone-t30 Sport and sport touring rubber from the same manufacturer will mix fine - but have the stickiest (sport tyre) on the front. On my Busa I usually ran a sport touring rear and sport front. Both oem - front is shot too (6k miles, 3k on the rear). Ahh, so you've already had your usual two rears our of your front! So my choice would be the most keenly priced premier league tyre (the aforementioned list of cream of the current crop) which will cost £230-£290 a set + fitting depending on the brand or save yourself around £100 and get a set of previous generation sport touring tyres which are still fantastic, ie Michelin Pilot Road 4, Pirelli Angel ST, Avon Storm XM 3D, Metzeler Z6 (The Continental Road Attack is too expensive for what it is - used to be great value)
There's even a great budget tyre which grips perfectly well - just not up with the current crowd in the wet, the Maxxis Supermaxx Diamond, ~£130 a set from mandp - but your mates will take the piss in the car park!
In your shoes, I'd be deliberating between the two best price/performance sets in their group, the Michelin Pilot Road 5 (£255) from the top league - absolutely the best wet tyre out there - and the Avon Storm 3D XM (£155) from gen-1 if you don't mind giving up a bit of wet grip for £100. (The Storms do take a good 100 miles to scrub in before the wet performance comes in) nothing in it between them in the dry. The Roadtec 01s are brilliant but aren't worth £30 more than the PR5s IMHO. (be aware there's a crossply version of the Roadtec 01 which are far cheaper - some people buy them by mistake thinking they've got a bargain!)
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Post by harri183 on Nov 22, 2018 6:23:23 GMT
I have to say with myself sports tyres offer a placebo effect. Currently running sports touring tyres as that’s what it came with and I have no problems with them I can push hard but over this winter I will put on some super sticky tyres and I know for a fact will be able to push 10-15 mph faster in corners not because of the tyres but because I have the confidence to push harder and chances are a racer could comfortably do that speed on the touring tyres it’s all about the confidence you have in the bike. I’m old school when younger had no money so had to run crap bikes and crap tyres while my mates were on new blades so had to be able to ride round bad tyres suspension and slow bikes had many crashes finding the limits but in the end has made me a better faster rider and now I can afford the best I always have it not that I need it.
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Post by X Plane on Nov 22, 2018 18:53:25 GMT
I have to say with myself sports tyres offer a placebo effect. Currently running sports touring tyres as that’s what it came with and I have no problems with them I can push hard but over this winter I will put on some super sticky tyres and I know for a fact will be able to push 10-15 mph faster in corners not because of the tyres but because I have the confidence to push harder and chances are a racer could comfortably do that speed on the touring tyres it’s all about the confidence you have in the bike. I’m old school when younger had no money so had to run crap bikes and crap tyres while my mates were on new blades so had to be able to ride round bad tyres suspension and slow bikes had many crashes finding the limits but in the end has made me a better faster rider and now I can afford the best I always have it not that I need it. Ditto, I could not have put it better, you must have grew up a few streets from or in same situ as me. Do it now because you can.
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Post by dangermouse on Nov 23, 2018 0:14:09 GMT
I have to say with myself sports tyres offer a placebo effect. Currently running sports touring tyres as that’s what it came with and I have no problems with them I can push hard but over this winter I will put on some super sticky tyres and I know for a fact will be able to push 10-15 mph faster in corners not because of the tyres but because I have the confidence to push harder and chances are a racer could comfortably do that speed on the touring tyres it’s all about the confidence you have in the bike. I’m old school when younger had no money so had to run crap bikes and crap tyres while my mates were on new blades so had to be able to ride round bad tyres suspension and slow bikes had many crashes finding the limits but in the end has made me a better faster rider and now I can afford the best I always have it not that I need it. I wouldn't recommend or buy a crap tyre, any sport touring tyre today would win a Grand Prix 20 years ago - things have moved on at quite a pace. As for putting sports tyres on for the winter - sports tyres are generally designed to work better at higher temperatures, on cold damp UK winter days a sports touring tyre will give you more grip than most sports tyres. Let's face it, the pegs scrape pretty easily on an MT-10 - it's not as if you're going to use all the grip of a full-on sports tyre anyway - unless you fit rear sets. That said, I went through last winter on sports rubber, because the tyre in question is silica rich it worked well in the wet, but the Mich PR4s I had on my Busa were astonishing on cold damp days, a sports tyre won't get close in those conditions, riding my Busa in France in practically monsoon conditions I was pretty cranked over at 100+ mph - didn't budge a millimetre - wouldn't like to try that on a set of Pirelli Super Corsas.
All that said, I too like the placebo effect on track and tend to only use sports rubber there, even though as I'm a slow old fart I'd probably be fine with modern sport touring rubber at my current old fart track pace.
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Post by hnick1 on Nov 23, 2018 22:14:38 GMT
I have to say with myself sports tyres offer a placebo effect. Currently running sports touring tyres as that’s what it came with and I have no problems with them I can push hard but over this winter I will put on some super sticky tyres and I know for a fact will be able to push 10-15 mph faster in corners not because of the tyres but because I have the confidence to push harder and chances are a racer could comfortably do that speed on the touring tyres it’s all about the confidence you have in the bike. I’m old school when younger had no money so had to run crap bikes and crap tyres while my mates were on new blades so had to be able to ride round bad tyres suspension and slow bikes had many crashes finding the limits but in the end has made me a better faster rider and now I can afford the best I always have it not that I need it. I wouldn't recommend or buy a crap tyre, any sport touring tyre today would win a Grand Prix 20 years ago - things have moved on at quite a pace. As for putting sports tyres on for the winter - sports tyres are generally designed to work better at higher temperatures, on cold damp UK winter days a sports touring tyre will give you more grip than most sports tyres. Let's face it, the pegs scrape pretty easily on an MT-10 - it's not as if you're going to use all the grip of a full-on sports tyre anyway - unless you fit rear sets. That said, I went through last winter on sports rubber, because the tyre in question is silica rich it worked well in the wet, but the Mich PR4s I had on my Busa were astonishing on cold damp days, a sports tyre won't get close in those conditions, riding my Busa in France in practically monsoon conditions I was pretty cranked over at 100+ mph - didn't budge a millimetre - wouldn't like to try that on a set of Pirelli Super Corsas.
All that said, I too like the placebo effect on track and tend to only use sports rubber there, even though as I'm a slow old fart I'd probably be fine with modern sport touring rubber at my current old fart track pace. R Great thread the old tyres as they being the thing connecting us our bike's to the road. DM and Xplane and everyone thanks for your in depth knowledge of tyres. I have just made a list of your recommendations I have read PB mag from 1989 but as DM says sports/touring tyres that good will go with them after my S21 which are ace
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Post by javaguru on Apr 3, 2019 11:08:45 GMT
how many KM can we expect from the Power RS-s ?
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Post by dangermouse on Apr 5, 2019 21:37:11 GMT
how many KM can we expect from the Power RS-s ?
About 6500ks out the rear and 11K out the front (note Kilometres as requested by the post!)
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Post by rb on Jun 30, 2019 18:29:21 GMT
Bought Bridgestone s22 recently, changed from Michelin power rs. Covered approx 600 road miles & 150 track miles. Michelin’s were very good (as most new tyres are) but I was left disappointed by wet grip and the wear between the two compounds on the rear. There was a noticeable step where the shoulder wore quicker, and after track use, a channel appeared. 4000 miles to 1 front & 2 rears. Did get £30 cash back and a track day with terry rymer for £49 with them, so we’re a great deal. S22 were £270 fitted, no incentive. Have more tread for water dispersion and to me seem a better quality of ride. Warm up quickly and at Croft, we’re above my capabilities, they were epic, albeit looking rather chewed up. For me, Michelin have the styling and value, but Bridgestone are the best for our roads and weather. Hope this helps someone.
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Post by dangermouse on Jul 13, 2019 22:16:49 GMT
Bought Bridgestone s22 recently, changed from Michelin power rs. Covered approx 600 road miles & 150 track miles. Michelin’s were very good (as most new tyres are) but I was left disappointed by wet grip and the wear between the two compounds on the rear. There was a noticeable step where the shoulder wore quicker, and after track use, a channel appeared. 4000 miles to 1 front & 2 rears. Did get £30 cash back and a track day with terry rymer for £49 with them, so we’re a great deal. S22 were £270 fitted, no incentive. Have more tread for water dispersion and to me seem a better quality of ride. Warm up quickly and at Croft, we’re above my capabilities, they were epic, albeit looking rather chewed up. For me, Michelin have the styling and value, but Bridgestone are the best for our roads and weather. Hope this helps someone. Are you saying the RS rear only lasted 2,000 miles? Sheesh - forget that - I'll stick with my Avons!
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Post by geoffbot on Jul 15, 2019 10:49:42 GMT
Bought Bridgestone s22 recently, changed from Michelin power rs. Covered approx 600 road miles & 150 track miles. Michelin’s were very good (as most new tyres are) but I was left disappointed by wet grip and the wear between the two compounds on the rear. There was a noticeable step where the shoulder wore quicker, and after track use, a channel appeared. 4000 miles to 1 front & 2 rears. Did get £30 cash back and a track day with terry rymer for £49 with them, so we’re a great deal. S22 were £270 fitted, no incentive. Have more tread for water dispersion and to me seem a better quality of ride. Warm up quickly and at Croft, we’re above my capabilities, they were epic, albeit looking rather chewed up. For me, Michelin have the styling and value, but Bridgestone are the best for our roads and weather. Hope this helps someone. Doesn't help me! Was about to get new pilot roads fitted but now I'm worried about the mileage - I want at least 6k miles out of the rear... Edit er I should read the post better - those were power rs. Pilots are good for that mileage yeah? If so I'll get em cos I'm bald! And my tyre is too That's what 700 miles through Wales this weekend gets me...
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Post by rb on Jul 15, 2019 13:03:51 GMT
Yeah, 2000 miles and the rear was shot, mind that was mainly dry weather, with a track day. I’d reckon touring with the occasional thrash would get about 3000 to a rear. Never had the pilot road 5 but they would give better mileage.
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Post by javaguru on Jul 15, 2019 13:33:16 GMT
Today's sport touring tyres seem to get used much faster than 5 years ago, when Roadtec 01 first hit the market, I got 9000km out of it. Today I ride a bike with 10 more hp which is supposed to be easier on the Tyre (the crossplane thing) but I get max 6000km from a bridgestone T31
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Post by javaguru on Jul 15, 2019 13:35:09 GMT
It has a bit more torque though, about 12 NM, (or 9%) so it chews a bit harder with each pulse..
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Post by dangermouse on Jul 15, 2019 19:04:30 GMT
Edit er I should read the post better - those were power rs. Pilots are good for that mileage yeah? If so I'll get em cos I'm bald! And my tyre is too Yes the post was about the RS. You'll get 8-10K out of a rear Pilot Road 5.
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Post by dangermouse on Jul 15, 2019 19:08:06 GMT
Yeah, 2000 miles and the rear was shot, mind that was mainly dry weather, with a track day. I’d reckon touring with the occasional thrash would get about 3000 to a rear. Never had the pilot road 5 but they would give better mileage.
I've done 5,000 miles and 8 (eight!) trackdays on my Avon 3D Ultrasports:
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