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Post by ccmcfadyen on Jul 6, 2019 8:49:59 GMT
Thinking about replacing the rubber brake hoses with braided one's. However am going to measure them myself and use HELs custom line kit to build them.
I know you can buy the kit and you'll get everything you need, but the kit is like £230 and am pretty sure I can save a bit of cash by speccing the lines myself.
Has anyone done this mod before? First problem I have got is that the HEL kit for the MT10 lists there is 7 lines, however on my drawings there is only 6.
If we start at the rear, I need a hose going from the MC to the ABS module (470mm) then another hose from the ABS modules to the caliper (850mm). So the rear requires 2 hoses. Then onto the front, one hose from MC to ABS module, then one hose from ABS to the lower triple clamp which connects to a Y piece and you run a hose for left and a hose for the right calipers. I make that 6 hoses in total. Two for the rear brake system and 4 for the front.
Am i missing something out here?
Cheers
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Post by charwood23 on Jul 10, 2019 7:44:40 GMT
Y Piece is classed as two lines, one line to left and and one line to the right coming off the same manifold. I picked up my kit for £140 when they ran a 40% promo. Give them a ring and see what they can do. That all said I would invest in the Brembo MC first for not much more money than the full price of a set of lines. Failing that the R 1 MC. This is by far the best brake mod save for changing your pads. I've gone the whole hog over time and now run EBC pads, Brembo discs, Hel calipers, Hel lines, Brembo MC (just replaced the R1 MC). Discs made no noticeable difference but needed doing anyway. Pads made a big difference to initial bite. Lines made no difference at all but look nice. R1 MC big difference to feel. Calipers noticeable difference in power. Brembo biggest difference and best bang for the buck. Also did a how to... youtu.be/64z0EEDQnr0
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Post by theculturalattache on Jul 10, 2019 12:33:42 GMT
If you go to any BSB event there is always a HEL stand doing kits for show prices.
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Post by exuptoy on Jul 10, 2019 15:16:40 GMT
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Post by ccmcfadyen on Jul 10, 2019 20:10:53 GMT
Cheers for the info guys.
In the end I have pulled the trigger and went for Venhill lines. They have the ability to turn the banjo fittings to the desired angle.
I used 6mm clear hose to measure original line length and ordered all the bits I need. I just kept the original mounting points so it looks neat and tidy. Have also ordered up an M10 pressure switch which means I can dump the spring loaded rear brake switch. Hopefully tackle it soon and i'll get some pics up.
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Post by charwood23 on Jul 11, 2019 10:50:58 GMT
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Post by carsicchris on Jul 12, 2019 11:27:19 GMT
Drop the radiator ,first it saves time later.
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Post by exuptoy on Jul 13, 2019 21:09:58 GMT
charwood23 did you notice much difference with the R1 master? Also will the standard lines fit or do you have to do the braided lines to use the R1 kit?
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Post by charwood23 on Jul 14, 2019 7:05:49 GMT
The R1 MC did make a big difference. The OEM brake lines do fit without modifying apart from having to re route it. It does come out of the MC at a rubbish angle though. Having now fitted the Brembo I would highly recommend this though. If you get the RCS 19 this is a reasonable £80 more than what you'd spend on a second hand R1 MC. The RCS19 Corta Corsa is a fair bit more again about £280 new but has more adjustment for feel at the lever. Either one is a brilliant upgrade and aside from a changing your pads it's the best performance upgrade versus cost I think you can make to brakes, perhaps even the bike (in my mind performance isn't all about going faster it's also about stopping quicker too). I can't tell you for sure how the OEM line would work with the Brembo though as I've never fitted nor seen it fitted with such. I imagine it would route better than the R1 owing to where the banjo fitting is located on the underside. Image one is the routing with a Hel line with a correct banjo angle/fitting. Image two is where the OEM line comes out. Image three is my attempt to show a comparison between the OEM and aftermarket. It's worth noting if not already aware that the lines are recommended to he replaced after 4 years according to the service schedule. Hel and others come with a lifetime warranty and don't need changing at all. Perhaps way more than was asked for but hopefully an insight that may help you or others make an informed choice.
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Post by ccmcfadyen on Jul 14, 2019 14:12:41 GMT
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Post by exuptoy on Jul 14, 2019 14:50:46 GMT
charwood23, that’s fabulous mate, exactly the sort of detail I was looking for. Could you or ccmcfadyen tell me if you can fit braided lines without ripping out the full abs system then or without at least having to fit the full £250 seven line set up???
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Post by charwood23 on Jul 14, 2019 15:36:49 GMT
Ring Hel up and speak to them about the price. For black Friday they sold the kits at £140 and regularly have this sort of deal in at bike shows and BSB etc. It can't but hurt and they're really nice to deal with.
Have a look at the how to aboce.. It's a bit rough but it should help. You don't by pass or rip the ABS out you just replace the flex lines. Fortunately the hardlines run under all the hard to reach places so it's not too bad a job
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Post by ccmcfadyen on Jul 14, 2019 15:46:10 GMT
charwood23 , that’s fabulous mate, exactly the sort of detail I was looking for. Could you or ccmcfadyen tell me if you can fit braided lines without ripping out the full abs system then or without at least having to fit the full £250 seven line set up??? I have kept the ABS module intact. The rear was a pretty simple install. Remove the 4 stock lines and replace with 2 braided lines. Bleed the system and away you go. The front however is a bit more involved as you need to remove the airbox to get to the stock lines. Its not difficult just a bit fiddly and time consuming.
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Post by exuptoy on Jul 14, 2019 15:57:56 GMT
Cheers guys, most helpful.
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Post by ccmcfadyen on Jul 27, 2019 19:59:30 GMT
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