Post by blitzed on Jun 18, 2019 4:09:16 GMT
1. So it is reckoned that graph lines show the stock shock as a fantastic and brilliant bump absorber then.
2. Although, for me when all is said and done, the stock 2016 shocks felt awful on the road, and was not adjustable or great.
3. Even a nit pick here or there on extracted words around the rebound speed will not change what i wanted to say (&illustrate in video) that a stiffer spring could speed up what is an already fast-ish rate of rebound for Irish roads.
4. And as you show tuning the shock to behave is not achievable as it is severely compromised as rebound adjustment alters compression as well 🙄 and that makes ideal settings a nah on impossible task. Stock shock was / is basically a mid end shock that can’t be independently dialled in enough to get it adequately right for me.
5. ....are happy that it behaves as good as the front end.
1. I did not say that! The graphs show quite clearly that the stock shock has its limitation, but they are predominantly centred around compression damping, whereas all your previous comments have focused on rebound being poor, which is actually the 1 place the shock performs quite reasonably in. Hence as I said, proper dyno testing does not agree with your "seat of the pants" theories.
2. That's fair enough, you were not happy with the stock shock for whatever reason, but you love your Nitron, nothing wrong with that.
3. Again, the rebound circuit is the 1 decent damping circuit in the whole shock, so it would probably cope fine with 1 or 2 rates stiffer, dyno graphs don't lie.
4. My main point with my entire post was that the 1 thing you picked on the most (the rebound) was actually half decent in this shock. I 100% agree it is not the best shock out there, and there were compromises made by KYB when they developed it for Yamaha, so yes, it can't be setup perfectly as it comes out of the box, however it CAN be revalved to eliminate or at least largely mitigate the issues the shock has from stock.
5. That right there says it all to me. That's the funny thing with suspension, it's all so personal. To me, the worst part about the stock setup is the front end. In stock form it's too light on the front, hence it always lift in stock form, the front is way over damped in terms of compression and the springs are too stiff.
Then again I weigh less than 70kg, but if you are heavier the front will probably work better for you.
What I have found is the rear end of these bikes in stock form is more suited to someone lighter, and the front is more suited to someone heavier.
Exactly what I was trying to say, in terms of rebound. I read the same report from Stoltec, so I knew the rebound was at least sufficient enough to handle a stiffer spring.
I’m absolutely certain a new shock would solve my problems. And I also do not deny the the shock pretty much sucks as it is. But, I’m trying to decide how to get the best bang for the buck. I can probably re-spring the shock myself. Revalve? I have to do some YouTubing...
Bottom line is if I’m spending more than half of what it costs for a Nitron R-, I’m just getting a Nitron R1. Prefer the R2, but I just bought a $10,000 bike. Hate to have to spend another thousand.
Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions regarding rebound. I was fairly sure it could handle a stiffer spring.
Maybe I’ll go that route. Maybe I won’t.
Honestly, my next bit of research will be to determine what other stock or aftermarket shocks will fit, to see if I have other options outside of brand new aftermarket solutions.
But that’s what makes this all fun...