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Post by dirty irving on Dec 8, 2017 5:44:22 GMT
I recently had my 16 MT10 re flashed and dyno -tuned by an operator in Sydney (woolich racing software used) Two weekends ago i had the first chance to put it to the test on some winding / rough (typical New South Wales) roads. Two mates swapped with me over the weekend,one owns a 2017 super-duke and the other a tuono factory . Both said the MT10 was great but un-rideable in B mode. Upon arrival hame I spoke to the tuner who stated he only adjusts the throttle mapping in standard mode, "cause that's the one everybody uses" I would like anyones feedback on their experiences as i feel fairly let down at the moment having spent quite a bit of wedge for a half-result ? Regards, Tim
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popkat
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Post by popkat on Dec 8, 2017 8:59:52 GMT
Just had mine done and he adjusted the throttle mapping in power 1 (2017 bike) which is the same as your B mode, he also adjusted fueling and switched off the fuel cut. The bike is smoother, there's still a slightly abrupt off throttle but no where near as bad as before, there is a bit of throttle jerk opening up in power 1 but it's definitely rideable. Power 2 and 3 (your standard) are smoothed out with fueling and the fuel cut gone. The bike is better to ride judging from the brief ride I had on it, will form a better opinion when I get a longer ride. It's certainly not unrideable. I haven't tried it with the TC turned off yet though, lol.
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Post by mrg on Dec 8, 2017 11:39:42 GMT
All 3 modes on mines were mapped including throttle and fueling. I can now ride around town in B mode it's so much smoother. I'd have words with that tuner if I were you mate.
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Post by rizla on Dec 8, 2017 15:24:27 GMT
The map is the map.
Mapped in PWR1 (MT10-SP) and PWR2, 3 etc all use the same map, but the throttle response is softer
That's my take on it.
Mine is also mapped with Woolichracing software, but the software is only as good as the tuner.
Mine was setup by a guy that has been building and tuning race engines for 20 years plus so knows his stuff.
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Post by dangermouse on Dec 8, 2017 16:41:36 GMT
BSD in the UK always do all three maps. Sounds like your tuner is doing a half-arsed job.
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Post by dangermouse on Dec 8, 2017 17:41:53 GMT
The map is the map. Mapped in PWR1 (MT10-SP) and PWR2, 3 etc all use the same map, but the throttle response is softer That's my take on it. Mine is also mapped with Woolichracing software, but the software is only as good as the tuner. Mine was setup by a guy that has been building and tuning race engines for 20 years plus so knows his stuff. Yes, my understanding of the MT-10 (could be wrong of course) is it has one fuel map - but three (four if it's an SP?) throttle maps, these map the relationship between the throttle twistgrip and the throttle butterflies. So you can remap the throttle maps to smooth out the on/off throttle relationships with the fuelling etc. I don't know if getting to these throttle maps is easy or even possible without particular software, they must be accessible as the last Yamaha reflash changes these maps - but not the fuel map.
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Post by popkat on Dec 8, 2017 18:47:53 GMT
The map is the map. Mapped in PWR1 (MT10-SP) and PWR2, 3 etc all use the same map, but the throttle response is softer That's my take on it. Mine is also mapped with Woolichracing software, but the software is only as good as the tuner. Mine was setup by a guy that has been building and tuning race engines for 20 years plus so knows his stuff. Yes, my understanding of the MT-10 (could be wrong of course) is it has one fuel map - but three (four if it's an SP?) throttle maps, these map the relationship between the throttle twistgrip and the throttle butterflies. So you can remap the throttle maps to smooth out the on/off throttle relationships with the fuelling etc. I don't know if getting to these throttle maps is easy or even possible without particular software, they must be accessible as the last Yamaha reflash changes these maps - but not the fuel map. The SP has 3 throttle maps just like the standard model. the thing with 4 modes is just presets and customisable variations of Power/TC and semi active Suspension. Unfortunately you can't alter a/b/c/d presets on the move so a bit useless really, you can alter each individual pwr/tc/susp on the move though.
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Post by rizla on Dec 8, 2017 22:31:01 GMT
The fuel maps can't be changed on the move, but everything else can.
In 5000 miles I have never needed to switch maps on the move so don't see it as an issue.
If I do need to switch i'll do it the next time the bike is stationary.
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Post by owle on Dec 9, 2017 7:39:14 GMT
The fuel maps can't be changed on the move, but everything else can. In 5000 miles I have never needed to switch maps on the move so don't see it as an issue. If I do need to switch i'll do it the next time the bike is stationary. Mine can .... throttle close change mode, its a 2017 model if that makes a difference.
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Post by rizla on Dec 9, 2017 9:11:32 GMT
You are correct Owle.
I'm confusing the different modes.
There is one of them that can't be changed on the fly without stopping first. I know tcs and ers can, as can the pwr presets.
I have a 2017 SP.
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Post by owle on Dec 9, 2017 12:20:16 GMT
I think its the TCs that you can not turn off with out stopping and putting in neutral although you can change the tcs modes while moving ..... but that's from memory, only done 2000 miles and not rode it for a few weeks due to weather, snowing here today, supposed to be more snow tomorrow as well.
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Post by popkat on Dec 9, 2017 16:27:08 GMT
To turn off TC you need to come to a stop, then to turn it back on again you need to stop, turn the ignition off then on again, I don't know why they do this seems odd ! why not allow it on the move ?.. As said earlier all other stuff can be altered on the move by closing the throttle, when it highlights white you can change. But you can't swap between A/B/C/D on the move which makes it seem pretty pointless having that function. I guess you could have a wet setting for example with pwr3, tc3, A2. or a track setting of say pwr1, tc1 and one of the M modes for suspension but you'd have to select your preferred preset whilst stationary, it doesn't take long to set on the individual functions on the move though.
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Post by purgeraptor on Dec 10, 2017 15:26:14 GMT
BSD in the UK always do all three maps. Sounds like your tuner is doing a half-arsed job. Yep, BSD did mine, and all modes are now much, much better than OEM with Pipewerx de-cat and carbon can
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Post by dirty irving on Dec 16, 2017 4:13:31 GMT
Thank you all for replies . I haven't heard back from the original bloke (three weeks not called) and have decided to cut my losses there ; I don't really want him working on the bike again. I have spoken to another tuner who is going to help me out over the xmas/new year period so I will update after that happens. Cheers, Tim
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Post by charwood23 on Dec 30, 2017 11:58:55 GMT
On the plus you've paid for the licence to access the map. You should now only have to pay for the dyno time and engineers rates. Don't let them fog you off with another £80 Woolich software licence.
Also, although I'm no expert, I do believe the fuelling map is just that and every mode gives you access to full power. It's like the modes (on a standard) just adjust the sensitivity of the throttle and it's response.
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